tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659330560006301380.post3736618392565752659..comments2023-11-05T04:28:41.397-08:00Comments on Strategic Sorcery: Most cultures have strong ideas about what kind of magic is "women's magic" and what kind is only for men. Is there any basis for any of these distinctions, outside of cultural mores? Anything an aspiring sorceress should do differently from a sorcerer?Jason Miller,http://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659330560006301380.post-71501646776664851212010-06-11T17:05:27.113-07:002010-06-11T17:05:27.113-07:00On this I call extreme bullshit.
This is an issue...On this I call extreme bullshit.<br /><br />This is an issue with which I take personal exception, and previous posts can be found discussing this on Plutonica.net: <a href="http://plutonica.net/2010/02/15/sexism-in-contemporary-occulture/" rel="nofollow">Sexism in contemporary occulture</a>, <a href="http://plutonica.net/2010/02/17/gender-and-the-elements/" rel="nofollow">Gender and the elements</a>, with <a href="http://plutonica.net/2010/02/20/yin-phalluses-and-crowleys-sexism/" rel="nofollow">more links here</a> and <a href="http://plutonica.net/2010/05/10/sexism-revisited/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. <br /><br />Also, see Phil Hine's excellent comments here: <a href="http://enfolding.org/occult-gender-regimes-the-yin-yang-binary/" rel="nofollow">Occult gender regimes: the Yin-Yang binary</a>, <a href="http://enfolding.org/occult-gender-regimes-reincarnation-and-uranian-souls-in-the-nineteenth-century/" rel="nofollow">Occult gender regimes: reincarnation and ‘Uranian’ souls in the Nineteenth century</a>, <a href="http://enfolding.org/occult-gender-regimes-polarity-and-tradition/" rel="nofollow">Occult gender regimes: Polarity and Tradition</a>, and <a href="http://enfolding.org/occult-gender-regimes-polarity-and-the-body-electric/" rel="nofollow">Occult gender regimes: Polarity and the body electric</a>.<br /><br />Let me know what you think after reading these, then perhaps we can have an intelligent discussion on "women's magick". (There is, of course, no such thing.)Nicohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244753926590839201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659330560006301380.post-63748535756611567332010-06-08T21:24:29.444-07:002010-06-08T21:24:29.444-07:00Lavanah,
I meant that women can attack problems f...Lavanah,<br /><br />I meant that women can attack problems from side angles and use guile better than men. <br /><br />Having once ran an OTO lodge that was 50% women, I can tell you that your sentiment is shared by a lot of women with ceremonialist husbands. It is also shared by Sorcerers of both genders, as I was always with the ladies when it came down to "can we please just get out of our heads and get to work!"Jason Miller,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659330560006301380.post-74507987219142531102010-06-08T18:08:57.716-07:002010-06-08T18:08:57.716-07:00I'm not sure I understand how you are using th...I'm not sure I understand how you are using the words "direct" and "indirect." While I tend to be far closer to the traditional idea of "women's magic" my opinion of much of "mens magic" is "enough talking, planning, charting; for gods sakes, just do it already!"Lavanahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295089071497942411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659330560006301380.post-53990851696505705112010-06-08T11:15:45.839-07:002010-06-08T11:15:45.839-07:00While I agree of course that nothing is always tru...While I agree of course that nothing is always true (as you said), oh man. Jow and I are so gendered (in terms of how we do it) when it comes to magic, sometimes I swear we need a translator.Deborah Castellanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16715780448380813436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659330560006301380.post-42667819737438071442010-06-08T08:22:24.775-07:002010-06-08T08:22:24.775-07:00I tend to believe some of this socially constructe...I tend to believe some of this socially constructed. When I look around most groups I'm apart of, I would agree with the solar/lunar breakdown is good descriptor of how it breaks down in modern times.<br /><br />But world-wide, there seems to be plenty of male shamans and male cunning men who use magic more intuitively. To back up the socially constructed idea, Norse culture has style magic of called <a href="http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/seidr.html" rel="nofollow">seidr</a> that is ecstatic, trance-based and intuitive. Men used to practice it, until social mores changed and it became too feminine to practice it and male practitioners were killed. <br /><br />It wasn't that men didn't have the talent, but it became socially inappropriate. Just like women were discouraged from pursing education for along time. It's no wonder that there is not Jane Dee. <br /><br />Having said all that, there is every reason to think that culture impacts magic and magical preferences.<br /><br />(And terms of the African witch-gland, my understand is that anyone can have those, which is why children, both boys and girls, are accused of being witches.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3659330560006301380.post-31043820732515455512010-06-08T07:57:34.481-07:002010-06-08T07:57:34.481-07:00Excellent response, but there is another point her...Excellent response, but there is another point here to be made about gender: if magic is gendered, according to the BIOLOGICAL/SEXUAL differences between men and women, are you really saying something about the relationship between magic practice and the body? Or does your understanding of what "men" and "women" are transcend the bodily facts of sexual difference? Does this make any sense?Yvonnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01026789923089919199noreply@blogger.com